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Tea Party Patriots just wrapped up a 4 week symposium on Article V.  They presented it at the request of many of their members for information about Article V.  Here are the links to the 4 installments for your information.  Each presentation is about one hour long.
We appreciate their interest and the opportunity that they have given to the interested public.
We thank them for their work and effort.
Basic Information covered by the Symposium;
Article V of the U.S. Constitution outlines two methods for amending the Constitution. The first method allows for Congress to originate an amendment and the second provides for a convention of the states. The second method has never been used. The founders specifically provided that method to allow the people and the states the ability to reign in an over reaching federal government. However, there are some fears and some dangers to an Article V amending convention.
 
Reason for the Symposium;
Is today’s federal tyranny demanding that we bring the government back within its constitutional limits? Does that need now outweigh the fears and dangers of an amending convention? Did the Founders provide us with the remedy in Article V? These questions need serious consideration. Tea Party Patriot’s Article V Symposium will tackle those questions by discussing the historical context of Article V, including the historical pros and cons. We will also discuss the current pros and cons and proposed amendments that are being promoted by various pro-convention groups.
 The Discussions were as follows:
 
 
 
 
    http://www.teapartypatriots.org/article-v-symposium/week4/

 

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Here is a Series that needs to be listened to, it's not the same old rehash of Pro v Con on an Article V Amendment Convention. 
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By way McFixt1

Defines the following for us, because there is no Amendment Proposal by anyone this includes you,Mangus, and a few others.

 Proposed Amendments for this.

1- Magna Carta

2- Magna Carta Federal Reserve Banking Act
3- Magna Carta Policy Makers
4- Magna Carta Law Writers- USSC code connected to the United Kingdoms World Court
5- Magna Carta Treaties 1200 to 2017
6- Declaration Of Independence (Magna Carta)
7- United States Constitution (Magna Carta)
8- NATO- ( Magna Carta North American Trade Agreement
9- United Nations Charter 1945 The great charter of Magna Carta
10-  Common Core Act 1945 also know as Common Core Magna Carta

Then Tif while researching the writings of John Adams, this popped up , and I do know what the magna Carta is, a agreement to share taxes, to occupy through the federal reserve world banking system.

Tif found this,

Magna Catra, This may explain why Muslim Terrorist, are allowed to enter countries unchecked, bring death and destruction to, even Americans.

The following is an adaptation of a lecture frequently given by William Coley, Director of  Muslims for Liberty. The name of the lecture is “Islam and Liberty”. In it, he explores the historical roots of the “essential rights” (also known as the “natural rights of man”), and how they have striking similarities with maqasid al-shariah (“the intentions of Islamic law”). What follows is his interpretation of these commonalities, and how they can help Muslims rediscover their claim to these noble principles . On a practical level, one should keep in mind that modern “Muslim” governments fail to embody these commonalities. One should also keep in mind that there are historical instances of Muslim communities or governments which have not followed the guidelines of Islamic law and were instead involved in spreading corruption and oppression.

http://www.muslims4liberty.org/islam-liberty/islam-and-liberty/

Mcfix. I hear about 20 states out of 34 needed have called for a CC thus far. Have you got any clue as to the chances to get 14 more?

Ray, so far only I believe three have passed the resolution for petitioning for an Article V or States Convention. there were representatives from 20 or so states at the Virginia seminar proposing they petition for one. therre are several groups out there pushing for one. Even some Soros backed Groups, and that makes me very suspicious of people like the attorney that posts under the name of Publius Huldah and the JBS that are trying to squash the conservative efforts to get the states moving. there is a pending discussion in I believe the number is 39 States that are trying to decide if they want to push it. the last time we came close wah when there were 30 some states asking congress to call one for a balanced Budget Amendment. Congress countered with the Gramm-Rudmann Act and that stopped the movement. Of course SCOTUS ruled the Gramm-Rudmann Act Unconstitutional after a short time. Strange timing huh? Anyway there is a plethora of information out there both Pro and Con at; http://www.articlevprojecttorestoreliberty.com/

As I am still grappling with the immense overtunes to this structure = my QUESTION is -; 

Has this endeavour become self defeating ?? 

Consider = http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17402-social...   

OR is there another aspect that I am yet to acknowledge ?? 

Terry, Soros and his ilk want to subvert an Article V convention petitioned for by the States because it would most likely destroy his power elite in the Senate and remove the mis-applied laws in the constitution. Don't forget that Harry Reid wants to Amend Free Speech with an amendment to the Constitution. It is my personal belief that many of these things are coming out the way they are to scare the people away from forcing the hand of Congress where it comes to amendments. If the people through the States took control the Progressives would have to start from square one and lose the hundred and fifty years they have expended bringing America to the point it is right now. That much of a set back would probably destroy the Progressive Socialist philosophy for three or more generations. Don't foprget when Congress calls for an amendment convention it is exactly the same rules that it would be for a State petitioned for convention with the exception that Congress would have to step back and not have any control over what is proposed. The people could even savagely curtail the powers of the President, SCOTUS, and make Congress a part time affair with short term limits and a cap on political campaign spending that would allow the common citizen to make a serious run for office.

Be careful for what you ask... The current two Party system is loaded with corrupt men at both the Federal and State levels.... recall the last election cycle and the underhanded maneuvers in La., Ia., Ga., SC.,  Az., and other places.  Garbage in always equals garbage out and if we call an article V Convention only to find that the tables of the convention are stacked with political hacks we may just loose what few liberties we still have.... the 2nd Amendment may be modified for starters and we could find the progressives increase rather than decrease Federal Power.

The key to a constructive Article V Convention is Control... controlling the appointment of the delegates that attend, and for the life of me I don't see the Tea Party or Conservatives in control of anything today.  Why then would we turn over the keys to the Constitution too progressives and liberals?

As I have said many times, that can be avoided by the people demanding their state Legislatures set up and enact laws that determine how delegates get elected, What delegates can and can't do, and finally what the State Legislatures can and can't allow to be proposed with that being determined by the people. All this must be done before the Convention and several States have adopted similar laws like the model ones on the books in Indiana.

i.e. http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/SE/SE0224.1.html  "Duties of Delegates" Describing the Legal Restrictions the Legislature puts on them At the Convention

Indiana law describing how delegates to Article V convention are selected
http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/SE/SE0225.1.html  Selection of Delegates

Don't ever forget that with the progressives controlling Congress and under the influence of people like George Soros Congress can call a convention and propose any damn thing they want to propose. They have always bluffed the public into buying in on their schemes to pass amendments that only benefitted Congress and the power elite.  states can propose and congress has no say in what the amendments are. Besides the proposed amendments must be ratified to become law and currently amendments have a 7 year time limit to become ratified then they become null and void. That must be incorporated into all future amendment language.

One other thing, The idea that this convention could open up the Constitution like the Articles of the Confederation was is totally false. The main body of the Constitution can't be touched because of the Amendment Process. The Articles had no way to be modified and we got the Constitution and that option was closed.

That all requires State legislators... free to act as agents independent of their political parties.  With the Constitution up for grabs, both Major Political Parties and the likes of George Soros will be working to corrupt the process.  Writing and calling our State Legislators works just about as well as writing and contacting our Federal Legislators.  Our problem is not the Constitution it is those interpreting it .. the immoral political hacks that have usurped the republic and our Constitution for their own purposes.

I wish I had the confidence in my State Legislators to do what is right ... but history teaches me just the opposite will occur...

What do you mean the Amendment Process can't touch the Body of the Constitution?... That is what the Amendment process is about, Amending the various Articles. If you mean that Article 1, must remain Article 1, and that Article 1, must apply to the Legislative powers and Congress, that is correct.  However,  every Section and clause, under Article 1, is open for Amending (rewriting or eliminating). 

A Constitutional Convention under Article V... has no Constitutional limits on what it can amend, within the frame work of the existing Constitution... it can rewrite the entire Constitution as long as it does so by Amending the Articles, line by line.

Dang it, spent 5 minutes typing, then forgot to hit reply. Anyway here goes again.

I've been studying this for a few months now, and here are my thoughts (lacking a law certificate) on it.

My understanding is that Constitutional Convention can not be used to change the Constitution; it can provide an amendment to make a different direction for certain issues. Now could it be used to override the 2nd amendment, the first amendment, or others? Not likely because - there are going to be 34 or more state legislatures that will be voting on it. And I would expect that it would take at least 2 or 3 thousand pages (worse than Obamacare) to even come close to making a big change that would hurt our Constitution.  Though it only takes a pen and the phone for it to be dismantled by the puppet in the White House.   So with the nastiness going on between parties and even within parties, I see no true consensus. 

The ratification process can be by either 3/4ths of the State Legislatures OR... and this is critical 3/4ths of the Convention as Congress chooses.  If the Convention ratifies its own Amendments anything might happen... cutting out the actual State Legislatures.

There is nothing in article 5 or the Constitution to limit what the Convention may do once convened it has the Constitutional power to effectively rewrite the entire Constitution thru the Amendment Process.  Amending the Constitution changes the Constitution... how much it changes depends on the amendments and those submitting and ratifying them.

Actually Ron, soros was outed about a week or so ago as being against any kind of Article V convention and was using his money to try and convince the legislature of Minnesota to turn away from adding their State to those petitioning for one. the other thing you are talking about is the process for Article V I am sure you are aware that the Article V is exactly the same process for the states as for the Congress. The major exception is when the states petition for it, the Congress is barred from submitting proposals. Think about that Ron, Congress has submitted all the self serving amendment proposals that have enhanced their power and have grown the Federal Government reversing it's intent for the states to control the Feds.

Here are further arguments in favor of an article V Convention;

It is beyond time to stop the out of control federal government. These arguments against an Article V Convention are without merit.
Check it out:

Ask your legislator to call for an Article V Convention by clicking...

In his article, “Enforcement, Not Amendment, Is the Answer,” Dr. Vieira claims that using Article V to restore our federal republic is not what we should be pursuing. Among the regular writers on NewsWithViews who join him are JB Williams and Publius Huldah. However, they make some fundamental errors, as I explain below.

Introduction

The arguments used against Article V are simply these:

1. Article V permits a “runaway” convention; and
2. All we need to do to restore the Constitution is enforce it.

Both of these conclusions are wrong and should be rejected as a basis not to use Article V to limit federal power.

Under the first argument, opponents of Article V attempt to scare patriots into believing that if we use Article V to limit the federal government’s power,we will get a worse constitution. They even argue that we would get an entirely different constitution (but do not explain how the states would ratify one.)

They begin by incorrectly using the term “constitutional convention” or “Con Con” to describe Article V. This not accurate but is meant to lead people into fear. As constitutional scholars have rightly stated, “the term ‘constitutional convention’ is misleading; it would be more accurate…to call it an ‘amendment-proposing convention.'”[1] In fact, one of the purposes of the Article V convention is precisely to avoid any need for a constitutional convention.

As Hamilton explained:

There can, therefore, be no comparison between the facility of affecting an amendment, and that of establishing in the first instance a complete Constitution.

Under the second argument, opponents of Article V point to other remedies they claim will “restore” the Constitution, such as nullification and the militia. However, no other remedy can change our federal jurisprudence and none will have nearly the same impact on restoring liberty as Article V.

Ask your legislator to call for an Article V Convention by clicking...

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